A Disambiguation Project
With the thought that I might find some of the sons of Jakob and Melchior who only have birth info, I set out locating other villages with Stumpf families to determine their Stumpf founders. What I found were other villages full of Stumpfs. Identifying and eliminating candidates is also helpful. This is a list of villages, in annotated bibliography format, with Stumpfs whose founders didn’t have any connections back to Jakob and Melchior, who were in the Zrenzanin/Großbetschkerek region of Vojvodina. I have included the citation for the sources I used as well as my thoughts and my unvetted conclusions. The research here was quick and not comprehensive, but, I hope, accurate.
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General Sources mentioned in the following analyses
Stader, Stefan, compiler. Sammelwerk Donauschwäbischer Kolonisten. 9 volumes. Sindelfingen, Germany: Donauschwäbischer Familienforscher, 1997-2017.
A nine volume work started by Stefan Stader and completed posthumously. Entries are on individuals identified from various sources as immigrating to the Banat from central Europe. Sources used include settler lists for Banat villages, the registration in Vienna, and village family books that had been compiled before this work was completed. There are 20 Stumpf and Stumph entries. I will refer to this as Stader's Sammelwerk.
Connor, Martha Remer, transcriber. Germans & Hungarians: 1828 Land Census. 25 volumes. [Las Vegas]: M.R. Connor, 1991.
The 1828 Hungarian Land Census was transcribed by Martha Remer Connor. This census only lists land owners and not every resident. Volume 3 is Torontal County, volume 5 is Temes County, and volume 14 is Arad County. Available online as digitized books at FamilySearch.Billed & Detta: Vilhelm/Wilhelm Stumpf
Wilhelm and Caspar in Billed
Wikete, Hans, compiler. Ortsippenbuch Billed: 1765-2000. Online. Heimathaus Billed. https://www.heimathaus-billed.de/geschichte/ortssippenbuch/159-daten-a-z : 2021.
There are many Stumpf families in Billed. Vilhelm seems to be the oldest and first (family no. s1360), so suspect others are related, or, likely descended. Although the Billed family book does not list children for him, there is a Casper (family no. s1365) born abt 1775 that could be his, and two of Casper's sons are there with families.
The first Stumpf event in Billed is in 1802 when Vilhelm's wife, Catharina, dies. Vilhelm remarries in 1803 (to a widow named Catharina) and Casper also gets married in 1803.
Vilhelm's birth is estimated as 1753 from age 60 at death. (The wife that died in 1802 is estimated to have been born in 1738, 15 years older! Is this the inaccuracies of estimated age at death or a lack of prospective brides in early 1700s Banat? Probably the former.)
There are two Stumpf men in the 1828 Census for Billed: Joseph and Caspar.
A different or the same Wilhelm in Detta?
There is a Wilhelm Stumpf (55174) in Stader’s Sammelwerk who was in Detta in 1762.
Arbeitskreis donauschwäbischer Familienforscher (AKdFF). "Ortsfamilienbuch Detta." Online family book. Verein für Computergenealogie e.V. (CompGen). Genealogy.net. https://online-ofb.de/detta/: 2021.
The online family book for Detta lists a Wilhelm Stumpf who might have married the widow Barbara in 1762 in Detta; the location isn't clear in the online family book. They had a son, Johann, in 1768 and the wife Barbara died in 1775. Could this be the same Wilhelm as in Billed? If it is, the estimated birth of 1753 is off and it would be earlier by about 10 years, which would better line up with the spouse Catharina's age at death mentioned in the Billed analysis.
Conclusion: This Wilhelm (if the same man) or these Wilhelms (if different men) are not descended from Jakob nor Melchior. The Stumpf families in Billed and Detta can be eliminated from the puzzle of Jakob and Melchior’s descendants.
Kleinjetscha
A different Wilhelm:
Giel, Dietmar, compiler. Familienbuch der katholischen Pfarrgemeinde Kleinjetscha im Banat: 1772-2000. Karlsruhe, Germany: HOG Kleinjetscha, 2001.
There is also a Wilhelm Stumpf listed in the Kleinjetscha settlers list. He is the only Stumpf listed in the Kleinjetscha family book. Kleinjetscha isn't far from Billed. He is from "Uttenheim/Pfalz." He died in Kleinjetscha in 1788. Uttenheim is now in Lorraine near the border with Pfalz.
Could this be the same as the Vilhelm/Wilhelm discussed above? He could have been in Detta by 1762 until 1775 moved to Kleinjetscha in 1788 and moved to Billed by 1802, perhaps? Oh, except the Kleinjetscha Wilhelm died in 1788. Never mind.
Conclusion: This Wilhelm is not descended from Jakob nor Melchior. Note the origin of Uttenheim in case it comes into play when finding the origin of Jakob and Melchior.
Kudritz
Heimatortsgemeinschaft. Kudritz: 1742-1910. Work in Progress. Gross-Scham: 2021. Pdf file in 2 parts. Genealogie - HOG Groß-Scham. http://clandata.sytes.net/wordpress/genealogie/ : 2021.
The Stumpfs from Kudritz descend from Andreas, born abt 1709, place unknown. He is also in the Sammelwerk by Stader.
Andreas had 3 sons: one son who died in infancy, one son had 3 daughters, one son's fate is unknown ("JoesLudw").
Conclusion: These Stumpfs do not descend from Jakob or Melchior. Since the origin of Andreas is unknown, it is not known if related in "the old country," but he is at least a generation older than Jakob and Melchior.
Liebling
Heimatortsgemeinschaft. Liebling Eine Gemeinde im Banat: 1786-1910. Work in Progress. Gross-Scham: 2021. Pdf file. Genealogie - HOG Groß-Scham. http://clandata.sytes.net/wordpress/genealogie/ : 2022.
The Stumpfs in Liebling descend from Johann Georg Stumpf, born about 1750 in Nieder Saulheim. First Stumpf event in Liebling was the marriage of a son in 1806.
There are two entries in the Sammelwerk by Stader for Johann Georgs, not sure if either/both are the Johan Georg who went to Liebling. Both registered in Vienna in 1786. One entry (55161) says his wife and kids will follow, registered in July, and is joining his brother who went to Hungary. The other entry (55162) registered in May with wife and two daughters and a mother-in-law .
In the 1828 Hungarian Land Census index, there is a Christian, a Tobias, and a Jacob Stumpf listed.
There are pages of descendants in the Liebling family book.
Conclusion: The Johann Georg(s) in Sammelwerk by Stader immigrated in 1786, whereas Jakob and Melchior immigrated in 1764, 22 years earlier. Seems like too long of a time for a brother to follow. The Liebling Stumpfs are not descended from Jakob or Melchior. There is the potential to be related or from the same place.
Sanktmartin & Elek
Fackelmann, Bernhard. Familienbuch der katholischen Pfarrgemeinde Sanktmartin im Arader Komitat (1724-1992) : und deren Filialen Matscha und Kurtitsch (bis 1920) sowie die dazugehörigen Prädien, Kutas, Lököshaza, Sofronya, Topilla. Sanktmartin, Austria : Heimatortsgemeinschaft Sanktmartin, 2011.
Anton Stumpf, birth estimated to be around 1700, came from Krautheim and died in Sanktmartin in 1744. The rest of the Stumpf entries are from his son, Johann Georg.
Anton is not in Stader’s Sammelwerk Stumpf entries. The Sanktmartin family book puts Anton in Elek around 1733 when was married and in Sanktmartin when his son was born in 1735, so really early!
Sanktmartin, also called Arad St. Martin and Aradsanktmartin, is near the village of Elek, both of which were then in Arad county; now Sanktmartin is in Hungary and Elek is across the border in Romania. The Sanktmartin family book includes some, but not all Elek events. The FamilySearch website has indexed Elek church books. [2] There are baptismal records for children of Joannes Stumpf and Margaretha (Anna Maria *1763), Adam Stumpf and Martha Langin (Josephum *1766 and Josephum *1769), and Petro Stumpf and Barbara Sturm (Anna Mariam *1770) and Johann Georg, who is in the Sanktmartin family book. Not sure why the others weren’t also included in the Sanktmartin family book.
The 1828 Hungarian Land Census lists several Stumpf individuals in Elek: Johan, Melchior, another Johan, Anna, Andre, Lorenz and Josef.
Conclusion: The Stumpf families in Elek are most likely from the same stock as the ones in Sanktmartin. Since they were in this region as early as 1733, it can be assumed that these Stumpf families are unrelated to Jakob and Melchior.
Glogowatz
I have reason to believe, but have forgotten why, that there are Stumpfs in Glogowatz. I have not yet investigated this.
Radna
According to the 1828 Hungarian Land Census, there is an Ignatz Stumpf in Radna. I have not yet investigated this either. The name doesn't match any of the unaccounted for Stumpf sons.
Villages in Tolna County
Reviewing the digitized 1828 land census index for this post I found a bunch of other Stumpfs in Tolna County in: Bikacs (Joannes), Cziko (Joannes), Kakasd (Thad.), Nagy Szekely/Großsäckl (Henricus), Ozora (Gasparus), Udvari (Conradus). Tolna is in the region designated as Swabian Turkey and is west of the Banat.
This list is not extensive. There are Stumpfs in Hungary listed in other counties in the 1828 land census index.
Final Thought
Except for the Vilhelm/Wilhelm puzzle discussed earlier, the Stumpf families from these villages are also not connected to each other. So although I was interested in any connections to Jakob and Melchior who went to Grabatz, I didn't see any connections between them. They each had their own origin story.
Footnote:
[1] You can make requests from the FamilySearch Family History Library on their online request form.
[2] FamilySearch has digitized church books for Elek. You can also search the church books by clicking the magnifying glass next to the date range you are interested in. The oldest ones cover 1734-1813.
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